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grahamcrowden Posts: 1,041
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04/01/11 - 22:59 #52
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cant belive itv wiped all of celebrity squares(138 editions i think?)lucky he recorded 40 of them.
When Kaleidoscope did a tribute to Bob (either at Bafta or NFT I think) Celeb Squares producer Paul Stewart Laing turned up with his own video recordings of some episodes.
Unfortunately , unlike most other ITV regions the archive of ATV has been decimated over the years .
When ATV ceased to be in 1982 its subsidiary ITC became the owner of the ATV archive and this was bought and sold several times over the years and I believe that while a lot of it was still intact in 1982 the unwillingness to transport a mass of tapes and films from the original ATV location to the new owners storage facility meant that masses were literally thrown away .
In the 80's old tv material had little value for commercial exploitation or repeats so I think this is why masses of ATV material was junked- not wiped but actually thrown away.Early 70's kids tv shows have survived on B&W film prints made for export but things with what was though to be little repeat value like game shows and variety shows are all gone.
Larry Graysons first series for ITV was called Shut That Door .
Just one survives.
ITV must be annoyed as they took over the archive again in the late 90's when Carlton bought it.Straker wrote: »
I would imagine the experience is what compelled him to remain silent during all those BBC appeals for missing, believed wiped campaigns. I wonder if Kaleidoscope have put up an inventory of what they’ve found thus far........
I believe Kaleidoscope published a book which was a full inventory of everything Bob had but it was about £30.
http://www.kaleidoscopepublishing.co.uk/books-bobsfullhousepb.html
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Straker Posts: 80,760
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05/01/11 - 00:03 #53
grahamcrowden wrote: »
I believe Kaleidoscope published a book which was a full inventory of everything Bob had but it was about £30.
http://www.kaleidoscopepublishing.co.uk/books-bobsfullhousepb.html
Thanks. Fascinating - Might stump up for a copy or.......I could probably swap a few of my 80s off-air VHS tapes. I’m sure Kaleidoscope would love The Straker Archive!
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05/01/11 - 00:04 #54
I remember the first thing I thought when I heard that Bob had died. It was ''What a waste!'' I knew he had an encyclopedic brain. He'd presented Mad Movies and knew all about silent movies. He'd been in the fisrt Carry On. He was part of a successful double act. He'd written for Bob Hope. He was Mr. Gameshow. He had a joke for every occaision. And now he was gone. What a waste.
But he left a legacy. A treasure trove of lost films, audio tapes, videos, magazines and books.
Thank you Bob. I hope you are up there on a cloud (with your 2 sons) smiling down at all the good press you (finally) got.1
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05/01/11 - 00:15 #55
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pity it was spoiled slightly by kevin day talking crap by insulting bernard manning and jim davidson.
Insulting Manning and Davidson? How very dare he! What two finer specimens of humanity could you possible find? They never said an offensive word about anyone in their entire lives!
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05/01/11 - 07:20 #56
However, I do think that Kevin Day was not quite correct in what he said. My memory of alternative comedy was that it wasn`t just a reaction to the worst excesses of Manning and Davidson. It was possibly more a reaction to the Tory establishment of light entertainment - and there is no dobt that Bob was part of that. His speech in support of Maggie was quite unsettling.In a way, he was probably lucky that he was known as a bland game-show host, or that could have effected his career more, as it did Kenny Everett. He kept going because of his skill as a performer and the fact that he kept his interest in new comedy.He also managed to re-invent himself quite brilliantly in the 90`s.
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05/01/11 - 08:41 #57
Killary45 wrote: »
Insulting Manning and Davidson? How very dare he! What two finer specimens of humanity could you possible find? They never said an offensive word about anyone in their entire lives!
Why is it that some make a fuss about Bernard Manning and Jim Davidson yet when Frankie Boyle is even more offensive he is often described as "cutting edge" and praised by some?
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05/01/11 - 09:47 #58
The impression, probably unintentionally, was given that The Golden Shot began with Bob Monkhouse as host but that dubious honour was actually given to Canadian actor/producer Jackie Rae, who presented the first 14 shows.
TBH he never really looked comfortable and BM lifted it several notches when he took over. It was still crap but at least it was occasionally funny.1
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grahamcrowden Posts: 1,041
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05/01/11 - 22:17 #59
ironjade wrote: »
The impression, probably unintentionally, was given that The Golden Shot began with Bob Monkhouse as host but that dubious honour was actually given to Canadian actor/producer Jackie Rae, who presented the first 14 shows.
TBH he never really looked comfortable and BM lifted it several notches when he took over. It was still crap but at least it was occasionally funny.About 5 or 6 years ago Challenge tv aired some Golden Shot over Xmas.
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05/01/11 - 22:59 #60
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An excellent and fascinating documentary (par for the course for BBC4).
The legal action mentioned above was covered in the programme and he was let off. Apparently at one time he had the 4th largest private film collection in the world.
It was fascinating to hear about his (what can only be described as) compulsive obsession with keeping every edition of TV Times, annotated in detail with the actual transmission times, cast etc.
It was especially good to see The Golden Shot clips and Anne Aston, who has changed little from those days.
Yes it was, my brother was a contestant on The Golden Shot, and whenever they showed a clip, I kept hoping it would be of him. It would have been surreal seeing him again as a young man. :cool:
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06/01/11 - 00:04 #61
Well, i just got round to watching this and what a BRILLIANT 90 minutes it was.
As a big fan of Bob i also learnt several new things too.
Fantastic doc.
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06/01/11 - 01:59 #62
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Yes it was, my brother was a contestant on The Golden Shot, and whenever they showed a clip, I kept hoping it would be of him. It would have been surreal seeing him again as a young man. :cool:
That's really interesting. (I may well have seen him at the time all those years ago!) Does he have good memories of the show and what it was like behind the scenes?
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15/01/11 - 22:50 #63
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Norman Vaughn, not Wisdom btw.
Proved them wrong in probably the best way possible when they had to bring him back after 2 years.
Wonder if he got any form of apology over the product placement allegations, probably not.
kaleidoscope who now look after Bob's archive.Can just imagine Norman Wisdom messing about with a crossbow:eek:. Great Monkhouse line on wiki-'Growing old is compulsory,growing up is optional':)
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15/01/11 - 23:01 #64
Killary45 wrote: »
Insulting Manning and Davidson? How very dare he! What two finer specimens of humanity could you possible find? They never said an offensive word about anyone in their entire lives!
Only way to insulti Manning and Davidson would be to call them comedians IMO. At least Monkhouse didnt need to result to racial/homophobic slurs
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15/01/11 - 23:40 #65
lundavra wrote: »
By the way, something else which I don't think was mentioned on the programme was the famous prostate cancer awareness advertisement featuring him that was broadcast after his death.
The prostate awareness advert was very cleverly made, using some recordings of Bob's own voice, mixed with that of Simon Cartwright, who does a fantastic Bob Monkhouse impression and occasionally tours in his own tribute show to Bob. Check him out in action at the link below.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqQTJPVe6w0
Even Bob's wife said she didn't know which parts of the advert were Bob and which were Simon.
The ad is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmWtzfKcMpA
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grahamcrowden Posts: 1,041
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15/01/11 - 23:52 #66
The clips of Bob on the ad appear to have been taken from footage shot for the Bob Monkhouse on Bob Monkhouse documentary made for ITV a year before he died
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16/01/11 - 00:19 #67
essexpete wrote: »
Only way to insulti Manning and Davidson would be to call them comedians IMO.
Why does everyone go on about Bernard Manning and Jim Davidson when Frankie Boyle can do much worse yet is called "challenging" or "cutting edge" and is not even funny.
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16/01/11 - 00:57 #68
If you enjoyed the documentary 'The Secret Life of Bob Monkhouse',
I'd recommend his autobiography 'Crying with Laughter'http://www.amazon.co.uk/Crying-Laughter-My-Life-Story/dp/0099255812
Some great stories about his career and personal life, well worth a read.
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16/01/11 - 00:59 #69
Misty08 wrote: »
That was absolutely fascinating. I would love to see the full version of the last Opportunity Knocks before Norman Vaughan took over.
I hate cancer sufferers being described as "brave", but I do think Bob dealt with his illness with immense dignity. He allowed himself to be more human and finally won over those people who had always dismissed him as "slick".Do You mean the Golden Shot..... I watched the documentary and it is deffo The Golden Shot that Norman Vaughan took over from Bob Monkhouse.
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16/01/11 - 08:43 #70
lundavra wrote: »
Why does everyone go on about Bernard Manning and Jim Davidson when Frankie Boyle can do much worse yet is called "challenging" or "cutting edge" and is not even funny.
Never seen Frankie but if he's as bad as Bernard and Jim prob wont bother. I like In Sickness And In Health though funnily enough, thats because racial predujiced people like Alf Garnett are made out to be the stupid people they are
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16/01/11 - 13:14 #71
agree with OP's that this was a fascinating programme. i found it strange that Bob never earmarked what should happen to his collections in his will/afer he died though.
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16/01/11 - 14:30 #72
The actor Trevor Eve seems to be morphing into Bob Monkhouse as he get older! He would be ideal to play him if there was ever a drama or film about his life.
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16/01/11 - 15:28 #73
the actor Trevor Eve seems to be morphing into Bob Monkhouse as he get older! He would be ideal to play him if there was ever a drama or film about his life.
I agree. When they first showed previews of the excellent "Most Sincerely" when Trevor Eve played Hughie Green I thought it was a docudrama about Bob Monkhouse, the likeness was uncanny!
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16/01/11 - 16:10 #74
A fascinating documentary. Gosh, the man had a lot of tragedy in his life, didn't he?!
Must admit, I never really liked Bob Monkhouse -- I found him too smarmy, and I thought his comedy was too well-practiced and forced. He didn't strike me as someone who was naturally funny -- unlike many comedians who were probably clowns at school. Oddly enough, for me, his funniest moments were in the last Golden Shot (when he was sacked), when he took every opportunity to mock the producers and Norman Vaughan.
His geekiness of collecting stuff made me warm to him a little.
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16/01/11 - 16:16 #75
Roxysiren wrote: »
The actor Trevor Eve seems to be morphing into Bob Monkhouse as he get older! He would be ideal to play him if there was ever a drama or film about his life.
That's an Idea with possibilities , Bob, a good comedian and interesting life story and a fair to middling
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16/01/11 - 21:28 #76
Hackney1 wrote: »
agree with OP's that this was a fascinating programme. i found it strange that Bob never earmarked what should happen to his collections in his will/afer he died though.
As the documentary mentioned , after his 1977 arrest in connection with his film collection he kept it all very private for the rest of his life.
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A fascinating documentary. Gosh, the man had a lot of tragedy in his life, didn't he?!
Must admit, I never really liked Bob Monkhouse -- I found him too smarmy, and I thought his comedy was too well-practiced and forced. He didn't strike me as someone who was naturally funny -- unlike many comedians who were probably clowns at school. Oddly enough, for me, his funniest moments were in the last Golden Shot (when he was sacked), when he took every opportunity to mock the producers and Norman Vaughan.
His geekiness of collecting stuff made me warm to him a little.
If you've seen the various documentaries and interviews with him you'll see that there have been very few people more naturally funny than Bob.
Of course his smarminess and insincerity were never really there and he admitted himself that he did come across like that often.
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